Saturday, December 03, 2011

More on Mangurian & What about Gilmore?

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Opening Shot

One reporter for a small Ohio newspaper asks a good question: why pay Urban Meyer up to $40 million to coach Ohio State when coaching Columbia is a much tougher job?

Not a bad question. Although I think the answer is to pay Meyer less and our next head coach a little more.

Pete Mangurian

More on Mangurian

Here are some of the highlights and lowlights of Columbia head coaching candidate Pete Mangurian's three years at the helm at Cornell:

-An overall W-L record of 16-14

-An Ivy record of 11-10, but 10-4 his last two seasons

-Best season overall was 1999 when the Big Red went 7-3, 5-2 Ivy and won games against Harvard, Penn and Brown. The wins against Penn and Brown came on the road and Brown was the eventual Ivy co-champion. The other co-champ, Yale, beat them handily at the Bowl, 37-20.

-Next best year was 2000 when the Big Red went 5-5, but also 5-2 in the Ivies and had they went into the final week of the season with a chance to win the title.

-Beat Harvard two out of three years.

-Record in games decided by three points or less: 7-1

-Record in games decided by 7 points or less: 9-4

-Developed some standout players like QB Rick Rahne and recruited the great Kevin Boothe who went on to the NFL.

-His recruits didn't perform all that well as the teams that followed his departure went 2-7, 4-6, and 1-9 and were 5-16 Ivy.

-His teams were strong on offense and emphasized the pass. His '99 team broke the 30-point mark four times.

-Defensively, the Big Red got progressively worse during his time; giving up 200 points in 1998, 235 points in '99 and 334 points in 2000.

-It's been 11 years since Mangurian coached in this league, but not much has changed. Harvard, Penn and Brown still pretty much dominate the league. But the recruiting and financial aid pictures are dramatically different and he'll need some brushing up there.

-Mangurian did not leave the Cornell program as late in the game as I thought. His resignation was announced in early January of 2001... not ideal, but not so terribly late that the Big Red couldn't possibly get a decent replacement.

Tom Gilmore

The Backlash

Ever since I broke the Mangurian news last night, I'd say the #1 reaction from the fans and football alums who contact me personally is: "WHAT ABOUT GILMORE?!?"

Tom Gilmore remains the fan favorite and there will be real disappointment if he is not interviewed at the very least.

It's a delicate situation since he is still under contract at Holy Cross, but this is a base that needs to be covered ASAP.

Times Heads Up!

The New York Times' Andrew Keh, (a recent Columbia alum), is preparing a piece on the Columbia coaching search. It should be published tomorrow or possibly early next week.


Visits to this blog hit an all-time high in November and rose a whopping 76.2% year over year.

Thank you!


At Sat Dec 03, 01:48:00 AM GMT+7, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The players are interested in Tressel.
They are the ones who pay $60,000/ year in tuition. They are the ones putting in an extra 40 hours/ week in practice. They put their body and soul at risk each week. They get to pick their professors when they select their course schedule. Why can't they weigh in heavily here? It is an immediate indicator of his recruiting potential that the players are so interested. Why not listen to their needs? There are 3 player consultants to the committee. Will they be seriously heard?
Why not SERIOUSLY investigate Tressel?
So many other coaches have been given a second or third chance.

At Sat Dec 03, 01:54:00 AM GMT+7, Anonymous Anonymous said...

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At Sat Dec 03, 02:18:00 AM GMT+7, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Totally agree with 10:48.Most comments about Tressel have been... forget it ,no way, crazy to even think he would consider coming to CU. From what I have heard from some team members, they are seriously hoping for Tressel, 10:48 you are right- why should all the work, heart and soul they put into football be ignored. Dianne if you are reading,let them be heard,you not only answer to alum and big contributors. There are also those of of that pay big bucks to attend this school and we want to be heard. Take the Jim Tressel suggestion seriously.Some posters have thrown out suggestions asking if anyone can get in touch with him do so, but that is your call, it is your responsibility to contact him. I am confident, you can sell our program, our school and the great city of New york to Jim Tressel.

At Sat Dec 03, 02:28:00 AM GMT+7, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Gilmore expectations need to be tempered. Sure, he seems like an amazing candidate for the job. But if what someone said earlier was true, didn't he sign an extention to his contract earlier this year? Is it possible that he might not want to leave? He has to have serious interest in this job for him to get far in the search process. What guarantees do we have that he has interest? I'm not saying he doesn't or that he won't, I'm just saying that we can't pick a guy (i.e. Toal/Tressel/Gilmore) and then get upset at the administration when our guy isn't being talked about as a probably candidate. TWO sides have to have mutual interest to make a deal, not just one.

At Sat Dec 03, 03:42:00 AM GMT+7, Anonymous Leon L. said...

Thank you, 11:28, you took the words right out of my mouth. Let's not start saying it has to be this guy or that -- especially without knowing if they're interested. Lot of coaches send in applications for openings for leverage in their negotiations with their current schools, to test the waters, to find out salary levels, get some program intelligence, etc.
As for Tressel, not only is he tainted, and therefore not an appropriate representative of an Ivy university, it would mean a multi-million dollar pay cut, dealing with an admissions department that actually says "no" sometimes, working with a budget that's a fraction of what he's used to, and working around players' academic schedules. Not what he signed up for in the past. Also, I question the posts that say he's the players' choice. If you think Wilson and his crew were too hard on and demanding of the players, imagine what a high-end BCS coach would be like. Tressel's just not a serious suggestion.
Let's try not to set things up so it's hard to support the new coaches, or so they appear to be disappointments. They won't be.

At Sat Dec 03, 03:56:00 AM GMT+7, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous at 10:38 asks "Why not seriously investigate Tressel?" Don't need to--it's been done for us. The NCAA "seriously" investigated Tressel just this year and fined him $250,000 on March 8 for potential major violations including lying. You want to hire someone who was fired from Ohio State for his ethics? Give us a break.

From Wikipedia:

On April 25, 2011, the NCAA accused Tressel of withholding information and lying to keep Buckeyes players on the field. In a "notice of allegations" sent to Ohio State, the NCAA charged that Tressel's actions were considered "potential major violations" which had "permitted football student-athletes to participate in intercollegiate athletics while ineligible." The report also said he "failed to comport himself ... (with) honesty and integrity" and that he lied when he filled out a compliance form in September stating that he had no knowledge of NCAA violations by any of his players.[32]

On May 30, 2011 Tressel resigned as Ohio State's head football coach.[33] Three days earlier, Sports Illustrated reported that it had found evidence that the memorabilia-for-tattoos scandal dated back to at least the 2002 national championship season, and as many as 28 players were involved. Early on the morning of Memorial Day, Gee and Smith called Tressel back from his vacation in Florida and asked for his resignation.[34][35] The Columbus Dispatch reported that Gee had appointed a special committee to examine the scandal's impact on the school. It also reported that Ohio State had been looking to cut ties with Tressel for several weeks.[36] Tressel said in a statement released by the university, "After meeting with university officials, we agreed that it is in the best interest of Ohio State that I resign as head football coach...."

At Sat Dec 03, 05:03:00 AM GMT+7, Anonymous Anonymous said...

how can you say the coaches wont be disappointments when every coach, but one, throughout history that Columbia has had has been a disapointment when measured by their record!
Odds are that this one will fall in line like all the rest. i would love to say it aint so, but the program has become a disgrace. the players and alumnae who have played are great and i feel for them and this is not directed at them, but until that school gets off its ass and starts to be supportive in more ways than spending 3 weeks to find a new coach, with multiple phone interviews, nothing is going to change.
Bring in Jesus to coach and he aint going to have a winning record until there is change.

At Sat Dec 03, 05:18:00 AM GMT+7, Anonymous Anonymous said...

does the 2:03 poster realize he just called all former Columbia football players women?

At Sat Dec 03, 05:18:00 AM GMT+7, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Some say Tressel isn't "right" for the Ivy League. I quote Leon L, "As for Tressel, not only is he tainted, and therefore not an appropriate representative of an Ivy university".

Well then, let's discuss Harvard's basketball hiring of Tommy Amaker after years of getting their ass kicked by Penn and Princeton:

"Under former coach Tommy Amaker, Michigan committed two secondary violations in 2006.

An outside consultant watched practices to help train the Michigan coaching staff. The consultant didn’t meet with players but the violation of Bylaw resulted in Michigan creating a “compliance resource” about outside consultants.

A Michigan assistant also sent several text messages to a sophomore recruit in 2006, which is a violation. The assistant was given a “letter of admonishment,” had to attend a regional compliance seminar and couldn’t send the recruit “recruiting materials” for three weeks.

Michael Rothstein covers University of Michigan basketball for He can be reached at (734) 623-2558, by e-mail at or follow along on Twitter @mikerothstein

Then the Harvard Crimson reported on more violations:

"Harvard Accepts Secondary Recruiting Violation
Published: Monday, July 05, 2010
1 Comment Email Print Harvard has elected to acknowledge a secondary violation stemming from in-person recruiting during periods when the National Collegiate Athletic Association does not permit contact with prospective players, and will self-impose recruiting limits during the 2010-2011 academic year, the Ivy League announced Thursday.

Current Assistant Men’s Basketball Coach Kenny Blakeney reportedly provided “improper recruiting assistance” to members of the Harvard coaching staff in the summer of 2007 after meeting with two potential recruits named Max Kenyi and Keith Wright.

Blakeney, who reportedly had travelled a long distance to play pickup basketball with Kenyi, said that he had not been officially hired as a coach by Harvard when he visited the rising-juniors. Given that Blakeney did not have an employment agreement at the time of his recruiting efforts, the violation has been categorized as a secondary violation, defined as “inadvertent.”

Harvard’s violation was first reported in a 2008 New York Times article, but the Ivy League cleared the school of any Ivy League or NCAA violations. According to a 2008 Ivy League statement, interviews with Blakeney, head coach Tommy Amaker, and other “involved” individuals, as well as an “examination of thorough records,” revealed that contacts between coaches and recruits were “entirely consistent” with regulations.

But the Ivy League’s conclusion underwent revision when the League determined that, under NCAA’s interpretation of its rules, Blakeney had provided improper recruiting assistance to Harvard after he independently observed prospective athletes."

Now the best part..... How did Harvard respond, you say? Check out this link, Columbia Lions, if you want to know how to win in the Ivies

Have you seen who still coaches Harvard basketball??? Tommy Amaker! Have you seen their current national rankings? Maybe Harvard isn't Ivy enough for Morningside Heights??

Up in Cambridge they plan on crushing Penn and Princeton, oh ya, Columbia, too!

Bring on Tressel!!!

At Sat Dec 03, 06:03:00 AM GMT+7, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't think Jesus even coached the JV squad. But it would take a major miracle, more than loaves and fishes, to lift up our program, for sure.

Maybe we need someone along the lines of Brother Jasper at Manhattan College. As he brought baseball to Manhattan College, maybe we need someone with divine power to help us. Might take more than a phone interview though. ha ha - just read up on this guy after I attended the COlumbia Manhattan hoops game.

Seriously though, this Mangurian fella, he does not even look like a coach to me. More like a physics prof. I remember him, and obviously he must have football smarts, given where he has been, but I am just sayin'

At Sat Dec 03, 06:29:00 AM GMT+7, Anonymous Anonymous said...

You are being much too hard on Columbia football. We were a decent team in '09 and '10. We should have been a good team this year with better coaching and better preparation. We have decent talent, pretty good facilities, the prospect of even better facilities next Fall, and a promise of more administrative support. Talk to the players about what went wrong this year: poorly run practices, terrible play design and play calling by the OC, plus a lot of critical injuries. I still believe that a good coach who can run efficient practices, teach fundamentals, recruit and manage a game can win at Columbia. If you don't believe it, then don't sabotage the morale of the players, parents and potential recruits by ranting on this board.

At Sat Dec 03, 07:15:00 AM GMT+7, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dr Murphy, this is it. We are all watching. This isn't golf, this isn't fencing, this isn't baseball, not even basketball. These are the big boys of college athletics. I am not saying the other sports aren't important or fantastic athletes but football is the biggest pro and college sport in America. Football at Columbia goes back over a century. There probably is larger attendance and more media attention, with maybe the exception of basketball, to one football game than all the other Columbia sports combined.
You have passed the first test with flying colors. You made a decisive and immediate decision about the previous head coach. You showed courage and unequivocal judgement.

Now comes the part Columbia can never get right. This is your chance to make a permanent mark on the the University whether you leave us or not. Will we continue to be an also ran in Ivy Football? Will you have the courage to make a bold hire and grab the best "winning" coach out there? There are a lot of nice pieces out there as coaches. But, be sure, there is only one sure hire to FINALLY turn this program around. Jim Tressel.
That's a tough one to swallow. How much committment is there to athletic excellence? Can you stand up to the fire to make this program go? Did you mean it when you committed to athletic excellence? This will be test to your legacy. Little else will likely be remembered. I think you are tough enough. Show everyone that you are not Lee Bollinger's politically correct appointment. Show everyone that you are not an affirmative action hire and make the bold move to kick start this football program forward. Show the leadership no other AD in Columbia history has shown. Take everyone on and hire the coach that will lead this long disappointed program to "excellence". Listen to no one but the Columbia Victory March.
There is only one sure guaranteed coach available to lead this forward. Show the rest of the Ivy AD's you are the toughest one of all. You've got it in you. Throw down! Hire Jim Tressel.

At Sat Dec 03, 07:28:00 AM GMT+7, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I do think that the Amaker analogy is relevant here. Bob Scalise has more than overlooked the recruiting violations Amaker committed while at Harvard, thoroughly reported by the New York Times.

Indeed, after Harvard was criticized by the Times for deviating from the Crimson's historical academic standards to recruit two- and three-star prospects, Scalise and Amaker responded by recruiting three- and four-star players.

Yeah, that's what they're doing up in Boston.

They're also funneling all their low AI admittees into one sport, basketball, to create a single powerhouse team instead of being merely very good at three or four sports.

It's "go time" up at Harvard.

The gloves have got to come off at Columbia as well. It's Tressel time.

At Sat Dec 03, 08:02:00 AM GMT+7, Anonymous Anonymous said...

3:29, what you're saying is partly right, but it doesn't fit the narrative here. The players are heroes and the coaches were entirely at fault. Wilson and his staff are incompetent and have never done anything right. Campbell and Murphy chose Wilson, reflecting their own incompetence. Columbia must ditch its principles and spend and cheat its way to a winning program. That's the only way.

By the way, having watched practices periodically over the years, this year's were as efficient as any of the past three coaches, and the players were taught fundamentals. Much of the time they weren't doing what they were taught to do. It happens on teams all the time, and unfortunately at Columbia more than at others over the last thirty years. They didn't suddenly learn how to tackle halfway through the season.

At Sat Dec 03, 08:25:00 AM GMT+7, Anonymous Mitch '68 said...

Well, Tressel seems to have replaced Toal as the "toal-tally" unrealistic coaching choice! Tressel would actually be even more wrong for CU than Toal. The good news is, it's not going to happen. Not Toal, not Tressel.

The all-time funniest idea was posted by someone not long ago: Mike Singletary coaching Columbia football! After driving his 49er players nuts, imagine what he could do with the Lions. And as a lifelong Bears' fan I declare that he was not even the best linebacker on the '85 team. All those telephoto TV camera shots of his meshuginah visage before the snap got him into the Hall of Fame. He was good his first couple of years but then was always late filling the hole. (Was good at Baylor too.)

I don't know who they'll come up with for the HC job but somehow I suspect it won't be anyone yet mentioned on this site. That lets out Barney Fife. And Jesus.

Mitch Sisskind '68

At Sat Dec 03, 08:29:00 AM GMT+7, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Word out of Metlife Stadium tonight is that Toal is going to Fordham.

At Sat Dec 03, 09:46:00 AM GMT+7, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I must admit to some confusion about the make-up of the current applicant pool. In reporting last week on the people "actively applying" for the CU job, Jake wrote "Those people include some 'big name' coaches we have discussed here, some we have not." I assume that a "big name" coach is one whose name is known to avid college football fans. There are no "big name" coaches in Division I-AA or III. Tom Gilmore would make a fine new head coach for the Lions, but I doubt whether anyone in a sports bar outside of Central Mass has ever heard of him. So I don't understand the frequent dismissal of Tressel as a candidate. As far as I can tell, the only "big names" (i.e., Division I-A coaches) named here so far are Tressel, Clawson, Nutt and Mullen. Perhaps Jake can confirm whether there are still "big names" in the running.

At Sat Dec 03, 10:32:00 AM GMT+7, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think we have let the process flow- every body has different opinions but at the end of the day we have to support the new coach from day one. The fact is that we will not know for a while if this coach will really turn the program around- there were many on this Blog who ue to think very highly of NW. I actually like the former Cornell coach for the job, because with the exception of the 1985 hire all are head coaches inthe last 45 years were on the young side when hired and were in their first or second Hc job. This would be something different, and this person brings the expereince of already being a winning HC in our league as well an NFl assistant, and will surely hire a better staff than we have had the last 6 years. We also have to be realistic a young coach who comes to Columbia is taking a real risk if he is not successful. Shoop bounced back and has had good divison one assistnt jobs but who knows about NW and the rest have all left coaching. For the former Cornell coach, this is an opportunity to caoch an IVy again and if he is not successful, he still has a solid track record- I think we would be lucky to get him.And if he turns us around and leaves after three years to go to the NFL- who cares if we are a winning program. In fact, at that point we would be in a much better positon to attract quality candidates. As for Gilmore, I remember him as a Columbia assistant, but well i would love to have him, why would we give us a secure job at Holy Cross to come to Columbia, unless Campbell and Tellier and others can work magic. It just owuld not make any sense, and if his goal to caoch in our league, wait for Harvard which may open up or Penn one day, his own choll. having said that, I would love to have him but I also think the former Cornell coach makes alot of sense. Who cares if he not currently working? The fact is we can't current Division one head coaches to leave to come to Columbia, and i think we have sen with the last two hires the results when we name an assistant who has never run a program before. I am not even sure a highly regard division III coach such as Kelton at Williams or Audino at Union would leave for Columbia, although Audino might be more likely to do so.

At Sat Dec 03, 10:37:00 AM GMT+7, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let u stay positive and realistic. Gilmore would be a fantastic hire and maybe he will come because his goal has been to turn around the Columbia program but it will not be easy to get him here. I think Mangurian would be a great hire as well. Clearly, he has understanding for the history of the program and already has a working relationship with Murphy and knows Tellier. Time will tell whether he can recruit but on paper this may be what the program needs to give it credibility and develop the players Tressel may be fine but not sure he is right for our league. currently in school.

At Sat Dec 03, 10:41:00 AM GMT+7, Anonymous Anonymous said...

What about a strong Division111 coach who has a winning traditions The Hopkins guy must be considered- he has clearly done a good job. I amsure there are many others winning coaches at that level that will welcome the opportunity to come to us.

At Sat Dec 03, 12:17:00 PM GMT+7, Anonymous Anonymous said...

to the person who posted at 2:18 regarding the 2:03 post, read my post again, i am very favorable on the current and past players. if you inferred that i said something about players being women, perhaps that is your own feelings of your game coming to the surface.
this is exactly why columbia will never win. hurting feelings, too self-absorbed to care about doing one good for the team, etc. you think that, given this attitude, CU can handle a Gillmore. he would expect nothing but your most superior performance and he wouldnt care if you are wearing a brace or a cast. Just to enlighten you, football is a game about the maximum amount of pain that can be distributed on every play and Gillmore or any coach worth his weight would expect that. there are no excuses...ever. this is what columbia doesnt get. CU gets a handful of those players every year and in the past most of the coaches havent been able to recognize that talent, whether it be in recruiting or when they get to Columbia. this is one of the fundamental problems the coaches in the past have had, they cannot recognize talent if it hit them upside the head. when i was there it was about recruiting in california, now it is recruiting somewhere else. it isnt about where you recruit, it is about who you recruit.
i have nothing but respect for the past and present players at Columbia. i have respect for the players i played with at Columbia and think the world of them and what they did.
the disgrace is that the people in charge could give a rats ass and to this day, which is almost two decades since i played at Columbia after i played, and yet we are still in the same position now as we were then and as we were over 50years ago.

At Sat Dec 03, 12:34:00 PM GMT+7, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Live from California! Our Columbia Lions just upset a very good Loyola Marymount team by a 69-61 score in the opening round of the Doubletree Center Classic. Brian Barbour scored 24 points to lead our beloved Columbia Lions to victory over the Loyola Marymount Lions. Congratulations to Coach Kyle Smith, his coaching staff and the Columbia Lion players on this stunning win!

At Sat Dec 03, 12:40:00 PM GMT+7, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Columbia took down Loyola 69-61 in California tonight. Very impressive victory by a gutsy Lion Basketball Team whose superstar, Noruwa Agho, was injured just five games ago. Outstanding effort by all the Lions, but particularly Brian Barbour who is a joy to watch on the basketball court.

At Sat Dec 03, 01:13:00 PM GMT+7, Anonymous Anonymous said...

TOAL on his way to Fordham
What a show by Nick Gersts brother
at Met Life stadium

At Sat Dec 03, 01:40:00 PM GMT+7, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The players do like the idea of Tressel. That's a fact. Tressel has had problems with over zealous boosters polluting his program. I guess its hard to visualize that at CU where a crowd of 3,000 is considered a good outing.

At Sat Dec 03, 02:06:00 PM GMT+7, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gruden > Tressel by the way, everybody.

At Sat Dec 03, 03:21:00 PM GMT+7, Anonymous Anonymous said...

On the facetious side, people seem to be getting a bit hyper here--probably anxiety over whether we'll get a good hire this time. For example, the remark that Mangurian doesn't look like a coach. He's been a coach ever since he graduated from LSU 33 years ago where he played
defensive tackle. Meanwhile the other guy being mentioned here a lot, Jim Tressel, really doesn't look like a coach, more like an accountant. What everyone really wants is someone who IS a coach, not looks like one.
While I don't admire the reasons Tressel left Ohio State, I find the notion that lying auomatically kills your reputation in the Ivy League sadly out of date. Look at some very high people in Washington right now, especially two from Columbia.

At Sat Dec 03, 07:47:00 PM GMT+7, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kyle Smith proves the point that good coaching matters. As far as our coaching last Fall, talk to a few of the senior starters and then draw your own conclusions about our practices.

At Sat Dec 03, 07:59:00 PM GMT+7, Anonymous Anonymous said...

To 9:17, I feel your pain and frustration,and I have only been a CU fan for a vry short time.
doesn't it seem though,that after the backlash and anger and loosing record this past season that Murphy will pick a winner? I can only hope that after next football season you and many others who are tired of this will be able to say.....FINALLY we picked a winner!

At Sat Dec 03, 08:03:00 PM GMT+7, Anonymous Anonymous said...

2:18 is right that Harvard seems to be running a dirty basketball program which, inter alia, has been hit with a "secondary" recruiting violation that should have been taken more seriously by everyone involved in the Harvard basketball program. As I understand the matter, Harvard basically smart assed its way out of incurring a serious violation of the NCAA recruiting regulations by claiming that it had not yet entered into a written employment contract with its new assistant basketball coach at the time he mysteriously appeared in a playground with Harvard's top prospect. Harvard finally admitted to a secondary violation and agreed to self-impose recruiting restaints on itself for the following year. Incidentally, does that mean that Harvard admitted to breaking the law and then chose its own punishment. That's sick. And while we are at it, I do agree with the poster that the reaction of the so-called "Friends of Harvard Basketball" to Amaker's monetary demands were a bit much. At least they didn't pay for his country club membership, or have they?

At Sun Dec 04, 12:33:00 AM GMT+7, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jake: you should take down the post at Sat Dec 03, 12:21:00 AM PST which accuses our president and attorney general of being liars. That has no place on your blog and I'm offended that you let it go up in the first place. That's not what we're about.


At Sun Dec 04, 02:25:00 AM GMT+7, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I second Leonidas.

Wholly coincidentally, I happen to work for those two gentlemen, and am proud to do so.

-Dr. V

At Thu Dec 08, 10:05:00 PM GMT+7, Blogger barry said...

Regarding the Mangurian hire, I have these concerns - why was he fired as offensive line coach by Tampa Bay Bucs? Yes, coaches get fired all the time, and so maybe he has the benefit of doubt. Also he was out of football for almost a year after he was fired. Not able to find a coaching job anywhere? According to his bio, he was out of football in 2004; so if we are talking about past ten years he was out for two years. Is that a baggage he carries? Lastly, is the Ivy League he knew during his Cornell days the same as nowadays? Time will tell if he was a good hire.

At Thu Dec 08, 10:59:00 PM GMT+7, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Poster on 'Cornell Connection' made an excellent comment concerning Wayne State and their HC. Crux being why did Murphy and Tellier, etc. barely go out of this region to find a coach or use a search firm? One currently out of work? I played a different sport than football during my time but know that football is the most important sport in the league and it should be treated as such. Football lifts the school in many ways. I'm with the players and new coach, but I'm tired of this Murphy and Tellier- they were lazy on this one. I hope this was not a case of Murphy wanting someone who would not stand up to her or demand resources given his connections and employment status prior to accepting this position.

At Thu Dec 08, 11:50:00 PM GMT+7, Blogger sageman said...

Mangurian has been fired from almost every job he has had. He is not known as a real taskmaster and intense coach. I cannot believe the Columbia cabal of Murphy and Campbell would not even interview Hall of Fame coach Greg Toal.
Well "buyer beware". I predict business as usual on the gridiron. Certainly, you have a safe choice but this guy will not galvanize the troops. I doubt there will be an Ivy League Championship soon for the Lions.
It bewilders me how Campbell could select a coach who has not been head coach for 11 years. I guess he wants someone not to perform better than his record of 12-41-1 in the 1970's.

I guess Greg Toals record of 66-0 over last 5 years scared him away.

At Thu Dec 15, 01:15:00 AM GMT+7, Anonymous Douglas A Jackson said...

He may have head coaching experience and he may have recruited in the ivy league,but what does he know about columbia.That's the real question.How many ivy league championship's has he been on. i'll tell you zero.i coached Tom Gilmore at Penn and coached with him at columbia.At Penn we won the ivy league championship four times, do you think we know how to win an ivy league champioship.

At Thu Dec 15, 01:19:00 AM GMT+7, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Doug Jackson and Tom Gilmore won four ivy league championship's at Penn why don't they go after those two guy's.

At Thu Dec 15, 01:33:00 AM GMT+7, Anonymous Anonymous said...

prediction, in three more year's we will be talking about the same thing.untill they bring in guy's like Tom Gilmore and Doug jackson you can forget about winning at columbia.Those two guy's know how to win and recruit iv'e seen them in action as coaches.Doug jackson has been developing high school fooball player's in conn since 1988at Prince tech in Hartford.Tom Gilmore run's an outstanding program at Holy Cross. Colubia you dropped the ball again.


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