BREAKING: Mangurian in the Mix
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Former Cornell head coach and long-time NFL assistant Pete Mangurian is seriously interviewing for the head coaching job at Columbia.
There are a lot of reasons why it makes sense that Mangurian is a candidate:
1) Mangurian and Dianne Murphy were at Cornell at the same time. Murphy must have at least sat in on his hiring process in 1997 and must have liked what she saw.
2) Mangurian has been out of football for a year, but at age 56 I think he's no longer entertaining serious thoughts of being an NFL head coach. Coaching at Columbia could be a very good personal move for him at this time.
3) Mangurian knows New York from his years with the Giants. It's not likely he's "New York phobic" in any way.
I thought Mangurian was an excellent coach at Cornell, getting the most out of his players especially in his final year of 2000 when the Big Red went to the final weekend of the season with a chance to win the title with a win over Penn.
The Quakers crushed Cornell that day in Ithaca, but it was amazing that Mangurain got them that far.
He was 2-1 against Columbia in his tenure, losing a mostly dominated game by the Lions at Wien Stadium in 1998 and then winning two nail-biters in 1999 and 2000.
Mangurian's departure at Cornell remains controversial. He left the team unexpectedly too far into 2001 for the program to be adequately prepared. The result was the Big Red hired Tim Pendergast late in the offseason and he turned out to be a disaster for the program.
But Mangurian's reasons for leaving were understandable. His longtime mentor, Dan Reeves, had called and asked him to join his staff with the Atlanta Falcons and he obliged.
I expect more information about Mangurian's strong candidacy in the coming days.
Tim Murphy
BREAKING: Tim Murphy and Penn State
I can also confirm tonight that Harvard Head Coach Tim Murphy is seriously being considered for the head coaching job at Penn State.
There's a strong possibility that Penn State is pushing this story out there in order to get the positive PR that would come from looking at an Ivy League coach with a squeaky clean reputation.
But Murphy deserves to be a real candidate for the job.
... and getting him off our opposing schedule every year would be nice.
posted by Jake @ 8:35:00 AM
40 comments
40 Comments:
he is out of work, looking for a job. enough said.
i want some stud who is currently a head coach of a winning program.
Tressel would be the answer to our prayers. And what a way for him to redeem himself! Dianne or the search committee, since we know all of you read Jake's blog, hire Tressel!!!! Can you imagine the recruiting class? Plus, he is a football Einstein!
Great resume in the NFL & college as position coach. We want to hire a guy who was 2 & 1 against us? 16 & 14 overall.
Age 56? Not long term solution.
Did not coach last year. Why? Is he done with it. Does he need this job or is this a place to retire? We need to hire a coach who will fight everyday every minute to turn us into a winner.
Will he be able to motivate the young guys. He coached in the NFL for last 10 years before taking a year off. Coaching in the NFL is further away from what we need then HS coaching! Remember he was around 42 when he took the job at Cornell with average results.
Not that fired up with this name.
Amazingly, there is strong support for Murphy on Black Shoe Diaries, the web home of the most rabid Penn State fans.
Mangurian would be an absolutely huge hire! Lots of experience at multiple levels. Go for it.
I can't comment about someone I don't know anything about. His career path up to this moment doesn't seem in sync with taking
over a very needy Columbia program.
But he might be an excellent person for the job. Who knows? Not I. But at this point, with more work to be done towards the choice and time left to do more work, I'd consider Mangurian one of many names in the mix.
I can't see hiring Mangurian as Columbia's new head football coach if he did what you said he did at Cornell. Did he really jump ship just because he got an invitation from Reeves to join his staff in Atlanta? If so, we can't take the chance he might do that again.
Hey, what was the #1 movie in the country last week? Based on "boxoffice.com", it was "The Muppets". However, I would contend that a new Muppet movie (a comedy) is being made on Morningside Heights that will give it a run for its money. Our Jim Henson, Bill Campbell, continues to call the shots in his director’s chair from the West Coast. As if HIS last two selections were not bad enough, be prepared to get mired in mediocrity for another 4-5 years with the way this search is going. So what does this mean? We are all being duped once again! The “Search Committee” is a joke! They are all just puppets for Bill. Now Diane is claiming that Bob Kraft is part of the search. Who is she kidding? Mr. Kraft will be advised of their selection after the fact and before the selection is formally announced.
They chose not to consider Greg Toal because it would make us seem "desperate. Well, Bill/Diane, look in the mirror because you created the last two disasters… 8 years of dung! I would venture that it’s a safe bet to say that we are indeed in desperate straits. Toal would have shaken things up. His teams travel more than CU (Ohio, FL, AL, CA, etc.). He would bring in at least three HS All- Americans, and he has a proven track record! Now we are looking at these ex-NFL/NCAA coaches, like Pete Mangurian. That’s great; we are interviewing recycled coaches, BRAVO!
To date, Tom Gilmore has not heard a word from Columbia. Yeah to the Search committee, you’re a bunch of buffoons! This should be the ONLY guy that we should consider. We need someone who can hit the road running without being re-trained on how to recruit in the Ivies (see the current Princeton experiment). To all of you alums who have contacted Diane, or the search committee, regarding Coach Gilmore, they are telling you one thing and NOT doing another. Don’t be fools!
The GOOD news is that on December 15th (target date set by Diane), if you show an old Columbia ID, you can get into the Columbia Football Follies movie for half price.
This is yet another sad chapter in the Columbia Football legacy...
Can't see Penn State hiring Murphy in its current legal environment given all the well-publicized disciplinary problems he has had to deal with during his tenure as Harvard's head coach including the suspension of the team captain a few years ago for allegedly assaulting his girlfriend.
Too old
Mangurian is a solid pick and will bring former pro assistants. This is the logical move from a former successful major program assistant, Wilson, to one with pro ball experience. While he may not have immediate name recognition, his past NFL experience will play well with recruits and garner respect from current players. This should be the guy as he checks every box.
Nit pick if you will, but Murph gets credit for a good selection here assuming it happens.
Close the deal and let's get the team started on next season.
While I would love to not have to play Tim Murphy's team every season, Penn State is just bluffing by considering him, for exactly the reason that you suggest. The Ivy imprimatur makes it seem like they want to go in the squeaky clean direction.
But Ohio State just dropped $6 million a year for 4 years to hire Urban Meyer. Penn State isn't going to bring a knife to a gun fight.
Did I miss something? Can someone tell me why Tim Murphy would want to leave Harvard? Was he let go?
never mind, just re-read,didn't realize it was Penn State he could be leaving for.Thought it said U Penn.
Some thoughts:
1)Involving Kraft in any way possible is great.
2)Leaving final decision to Murphy is best, as she has the most to lose with a bad choice and is least likely to use the job to repay favors.
3)Posting that this candidate has no chance...or there is no interest... Is irresponsible and detrimental to the process, JAKE!
4)Toal should be on the list of those interviewed.
5)Tressel is a pipe dream but must be contacted.
6)Gilmore appears to have a lot of upsides.
7)Margraff must be contacted.
8)Mangurian is a drifting journeyman who is no jobless and abandon his team. Lots of red flags but should be contacted.
9)Gattuso, 13 yes of FCS HC experience at championship level must be contacted.
Many players are talking about Jim Tressel. Does their vote count?
I dont think I like Mangurian (old, "recycled", etc) however, does 9:02 have a point? Will he bring top level assistants? I think that is a huge aspect - the quality of the staff the new HC can bring with him.
Mangurian sounds like good prospect.
Tressel would be a great choice, but, he is damaged goods and I would be surprised if anyone picked him up for at least a year.
I think Murphy might work well at Penn State, but, I think a current assistant is most likely going to take over the program.
Karl Groth
I think the Thu Dec 01, 07:33:00 PM PST poster needs to stop smoking whatever he/she is smoking. Considering they really have no clue to what is going on like everyone else that is posting. It was actually a scary boarding on psychotic post.
Stop the Toal bandwagon. He wins because like Gerry Faust in the late 70s Cincinnati Moeller had players from three states, and bombed at ND. NY players go to New Jersey to go to high school. He should win against other states high schools because if they are public they take who lives in the district, not a feeder school. Fork Union is more like what Toal is coaching than the "normal" high school. Why do you beleive Illinois has private and public school champions? His "legendary" practices will hit a big snag when he sees the NCAA and Ivy rules on practice time and dress (no pads or contact). Hire a COLLEGE coach, there are certainly enough available after the rash of firings in the past week.
The histrionic Toal posts grow more tiresome by the day. He's an excellent 58-year old high school coach. His team throws 16 passes a game and averages about 120 yards in the air. Have you ever watched an Ivy football game? Sixteen passes a game is a nice recipe for 0-10. College isn't high school. Not in the size and caliber of athlete, the complexity of schemes and, at the Ivy level, the fact that most of the teams have roughly comparable talent.
At age 58, Toal's career path is set. It would be foolhardy to hire someone with no college experience and Dianne is not a fool.
Gilmore should be the man.
The issue is not so much the pros and cons of Toal.
The issue is Campbell is still running the show and that's not acceptable.
Campbell is a god in general, but bad at picking coaches.
Even his own assistants when he was the HC here were bad. None of them other than Audino amounted to much. And Audino is just a D-III guy.
Once again, NO All-Americans are turning down BCS schools to come to Columbia! Please,please stop with this assertion! As the previous poster said, Don Bosco is a built-in winning formula. Good players from all over congregate there because they CAN. They know before they go there they are gonna have more talent than almost any school and they are gonna be loaded for bear. Barney Fife could coach a team like that to success let alone a competent man like Toal. If you want the man here fine, but stop with the all americans coming here crap and he has no recruiting skills we can assess. Like I said before, ask high school kids outside of Jersey who Toal is and they'll say, "who?" He's not gonna pull any recruits on his name. Get real!
I would be shocked if Gilmore has not been in contact with the school.
Toal has zero college experience, he may win at an established program but way too risky for CU at this time.
I'd be shocked if Tressel had interest
To:
Like I said before, ask high school kids outside of Jersey who Toal is and they'll say, "who?" He's not gonna pull any recruits on his name. Get real!
Do you think they know Gilmore, Mangurian or any of the other possible names?
Most don't know Tim Murphy.
We will not get a name at Columbia.
More kids know Bob Ladouceur & Toal more than they know any head coach in Ivy League.
We must hire a grinder. Someone said it earlier, a coach that will fight every day and night to help us achieve. Most likely that would be a coach that is younger (early 40's). I am not big on Toal but I believe if he was younger he would be a great candidate.
I am not saying it is the same thing but Harvard hired Tommy Amaker in hoops, right? That is a legitimate name. So now Mr. Amaker is out there dropping the H Bomb as they say. I somehow doubt that Murph the Surf Haahvard guy will end up at not so Happy Valley, but who knows - he was head coach at Cincinnati at one time, right?
At one time was not our hoops team considering a retired major NBA star, dang can't remember his name... ? And I seem to remember at one time ... we were considering Mike Singletary as Columbia football coach. Wish we could lure a major name to Morningside Heights for pigskin, we need something to skew recruiting in our favor in a big big big way. That is kind of why i threw Marcellus Wiley's name out there... you know if he showed up at some kid's home in ... MidAmerica, Anytown he would be recognized.
YES! That NBA star was none other than Kareem Abdul-Jabbar!
Total screw up by Reeves and co. not hiring KAREEM!!!
Reeves is gone, but a lot of the same knuckleheads with BIG EGOS are still there.
That's right, they didn't hire Kareem because they knew he wouls dwarf as they deserve to be dwarfed.
Singletary they passed on for the same reason and because he was (GASP!) a devout Christian!
No, No, No, you can't have that at Columbia. Only debauching pagans like Shoop need apply.
Jake, is it true that Gilmore has not been contacted, as someone wrote here? CU can't just put out a blind ad and wait for someone to drop by, we need to go after all top prospects.
My mind is open on Mangurian and anyone like him, but he has baggage and must be vetted like everyone else. Does he just need a job? Sorry, but no one is needier than Lion football, needy for a genuine leader.
He has coached 20 years or more in college football, all as an assistant except two years at Cornell. Plus the past dozen years as an NFL assistant. If he's hired, I might be cheering like crazy two years from now....or cursing.
All I'm saying is let's look at everyone, carefully, and then again even more carefully at what emerges as the top group of candidates.
Gillmore and Margraff arent going to contact CU as it puts their current situation at risk.
Rather than hiring tressel, since that is a pipe dream, why not bring him in as a consultant? we all know the powers that be cant figure their way out of a one door room.
every few years ti is the same thing, Camobell will donate money and that somehow makes him jesus on selecting coaches and his puppet board of lesser minds when it comes to football.
shut it down if you arent going to do it the right way. how about doing a study on how other programs have fixed their issues, etc. it isnt like this is the first school to have a bad team, albeit we have been bad for almost a century.
That is what the Univ. of Akron is doing,Tressel is helping with the search for a new head coach. Still think he would be a great fit at Columbia.
Amaker is an interesting story. Disliked at the University of Michigan and not thought of highly at Seton Hall. Nevertheless, brought into Harvard to elevate the program and allowed to recruit kids who all his predecessors at Harvard said they couldn't touch. First recruits at Harvard included a seven foot center from a small community college in Iowa who attended college previously in Germany and the University of Indiana. Amaker's wife was hired as Harvard faculty member. Combined salary of Tommy and his wife is supposed to be huge. Harvard Admissions Office apparently allows Amaker enormous flexibility to offer admission to Harvard. Accused by highly reputable journalist and the NCAA of recruiting violations which Harvard bigwigs forcibly denied although later determined to be true. Harvard sugar-coated the violations as minor inconsequential stuff compared to what happens elsewhere in America. Harvard finally admits to the violations, while continuing to describe them as minor. After initial stories appear in the New York Times, the Times mysteriously ceases and desists from publishing anything further on the Harvard recruiting violations. The Ivy League does nothing. Coach Amaker loses to Princeton for Ivy League Championship, but Princeton coach sees handwriting on the wall so departs Princeton and the Ivy League. Harvard brings in more more NCAA wannabees and parades them in photographs across their athletic website shaking hands with the President of the Harvard Univesity and other Harvard Big Shots. None of the top baseketball schools in the United States do that. Is there more? Probably? Has Harvard done anything wrong other than committing some minor recruiting violations? Maybe not. Point to all this? Hard to say. Just presenting the facts for discussion/evaluation by Columbia blog readers. Chances are nothing bad is going to happen to Harvard, and it will win the Ivy League Basketball Championship and get great publicity in the Times and elsewhere. Amaker will move on to another basketball school.
Never have I claimed kids would know Gilmore, Murphy, Bagnoli or any Ivy coach. But previous Toalites here have made claim that he would bring guys in on his name alone. Maybe the guy could recruit, who knows, but it won't be on his name.
Re: Amaker, I think Harvard sees how much easier it is to build a basketball powerhouse than football. You lower your standards for two recruits and voila, you've got a great team, you're playing in the tournament, school spirit goes up and maybe donations go up. Doesn't work in football where you need lots of bodies and you can't play in the FCS tournament in any case. Not sure why Harvard would believe a top 25 basketball team is worth compromising the AI for, but the fact is, it's very do-able in basketball. And if Amaker is doing it without compromising the AI at all, then more power to him.
Why not go for the best, All-Americans, etc.? We take so much pride in CU National academic ranking but give lip service to athletics. To win consistently, CU Admin has to understand that as an academic patheon, they are not besmirched when admitting outstanding athletes, football or otherwise. If you're going to do something, do it well, or don't bother.
My Harvard College law partner is none too happy about the Murphy/Penn State rumor.
I forgoT that I explained to my Harvard College law partner that Murphy was just like everyone else at Harvard:
Show me the money!
This did not brighten his spirits for some reason .
One final comment about my Harvard College law partner: he told me he now regularly reads this blog in order to follow football developments. He will deny this!
But how long before Jake goes Hollywood and this is renamed the Ivy Blog or some such?!
By the way did I forget to mention that my Harvard College law partner wrnt to Harvard?
Actually at first he said he went to college in Boston, well actually near Boston, and when I said Tufts, he was very quick to correct me, let me assure one and all.
Isn't it interesting that makinf fun of Harvard is always fair game? Why is that?
Jake I posted anonymously about all the anonymous posters. It strikrs me a little strange. Why not require at least a pseudonym, let each of these people develop anonymously but individually as distinctly different and interesting characters.
After all, this is Columbia isn't it?
Unless that would be cost-prohibitive, then never mind.
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