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Tuesday, December 20, 2011
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WR Recruit
"..And so Lions and new head coach Pete Mangurian get to keep a player who emerged as one of the top clutch receivers in North Jersey last season. Dobitsch was a favorite target of star quarterback Devin Fuller, catching a North Jersey-best 63 passes for 984 yards and nine touchdowns.
"He just kept getting better and better," Old Tappan coach Brian Dunn said.
Dobitsch is happy his receivers coach at Columbia will be retained on the new staff. He doesn’t have eye-popping speed, but he runs his routes well and has good hands.
Dobitsch, an All-Bergen selection, hasn’t selected a major, but he will enroll in the pre-med program with an eye on possibly becoming an orthopedic surgeon."
http://www.northjersey.com/sports/hs_sports/recruiting/135907788_Education_first_for_WR.html
Andrew Dobitsch is a solid prospect from an excellent high school football program in northern New Jersey. He also made Honorable Mention All-Met. We are losing our top two wide receivers to graduation (Stephens and Williams) so there are plenty of opportunities for playing time at that position.
Stet Fuller and I'd be happy!. This kid is a "hands" guy, which is great, but his own coach said that he's not a speedster and he's under 6' tall. We need a TALL WR and someone who can stretch the field. We need hat at WR and TE!!! 1-800-JUCO!
BREAKING NEWS!!! Tom Williams has just resigned at Yale!
Will they get Gilmore?
No surprise that Williams is stepping down. Terrible coach and a liar.
Is Greg Toal a candidate for the Yale job?
Get off the Gilmore kick. If he makes a move I think he will end up at a D1 team. Ivys are not much of an upward move from where he currently is.
As far as Williams is concerned, regardless of everything else, 3 straight years without a win against Harvard sealed his fate.
What do we know about our new OC,Ben McDaniel, another NFL assistant (QB coach, I believe)?
This is what Tim Tebow had to say about Ben McDaniels when McDaniels was the QB coach at Denver under his brother, Josh:
“He’s a very bright guy, just like his brother and you can definitely tell that they’re brothers,” Tebow said. “He’s definitely got a bright future. He’s extremely smart and loves the game, and he loves learning. He’s just got great qualities to make a great coach.”
WHO IS THIS JERK WHO CALLS HIMSELF "DOGGERS" ON VOYFORUMS? HE TLAKS ABOUT THE STENCH OF COLUMBIA!
Doggers may be someone who didn't get the CU job.
Someone reported yesterday on the Ivy Voy blog tha Williams was fired but the Yale AD site had nothing at the time. Apparently some prospective recruits got the word and were spreading it round.
Espn.com article says it's because he lied on his resume about being a finalist for a Rhodes Scholarship.
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7375538/yale-bulldogs-coach-tom-williams-resigns-due-rhodes-scholarship-fib
"Doggers" is one of the so-called "Yale" guys on the Ivy voy forums. Most of the "Yale" posts appear very similar in nature so they are probably written by the same one or two person under different names. All of the posts are pretty nasty stuff and hardly worth dignifying with further comments.
Dobitsch was first team Group 3 (second largest of 4 Groups) all state; also first team all Bergen County. That's not too shabby. He catches in traffic and runs after a catch well. He also returned kicks and seemed to have pretty fair speed. The all-Met referred to above is MSG's product incorporating CT, NY and NJ. There's a first team, second team and with respect to WRs, 4 H.M.s.
-Dr.V
From footballscoop.com
Yale: Hard to imagine that Yale could find a better coach than current Vanderbilt defensive coordinator Bob Shoop. Shoop played at Yale, was a grad assistant there, later returned as defensive coordinator...head coach at Columbia...plenty of great coaching stops along the way and now DC at Vandy and doing a great job. Winner of the 2009 FootballScoop 1-AA Coordinator of the Year and a finalist for this year's Defensive Backs Coach of the Year.
This would be great for Lions fans. It would pretty much guarantee a few wins against Yale.
Yale may get Gilmore, but only if they do a National search... For example, based on OUR Natonal search, they can have an immediate three finalists... The two remaining ex-Cornell Coaches, and a 25 year ld linebacker coach from the Patriots with no Collegiate, or Head Coaching expriience. Sounds about right, correct, Diane?
How about Patrick Witt as interim Head Coach of Yale?
If the Patriot becomes a scholarship league then doesn't Gilmore have a pretty darned good job? Holy Cross is already a decent program without scholarships. With them, wouldn't he now have the ability to contend for a national championship?
Lehigh acquitted itself well in the playoffs this year without scholarships and I would think Lehigh and Holy Cross now become regional powers. Why would Gilmore leave that for Yale? And doesn't the Patriot going scholarship hurt the Ivies quite a bit? As others have mentioned, middle-class kids faced with attending Holy Cross for free and maybe playing for an FCS championship vs. playing 10 games a year in the Ivies for $60k per year are going to pick Holy Cross. Yes, CU is a better school than Holy Cross, but free is free. And playoffs are an incredible reward for a good football team.
According to Voy Forums , Mike Gerst (Nicks brother) is going to Columbia. Good news for all.
Great hat Mike Gerst is coming to Columbia! Now we can be at the top of the All-5'7" and below team.
Jake, what is the story about this absence, and when can it be corrected? If there is anything we can do to help your cause, let me/us know. You are doing some of the best and passionate writing about college football that's out there, and you shouldn't be squashed.
Why is anybody in his right mind who is a truer Columbia fan bash Mike Gerst or continue to gouse about a process which gave us a great HC in Pete Mangurian. Having met Pete, I can tell you that he is the real deal. After listening to him I would be ready to charge San Juan Hill! Let's get with the program. And as far as the PL is concerned, ask anybody out side the Northeast if they have ever heard of most of those schools and you will get a blank stare. An Ivy degree is worth its weight in gold, all across the country and abroad. If your family needs the dough you'll get a financial aid package. and if your family doesn't need the dough but would rather get a free ride, that is in my humble opinion a short sighted and flawed choice.
Nice article below about our new OC (reportedly), Ben McDaniels. Also, DC Woods is no longer listed on the CU website, Argast and Smith still there.
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_15764007
Mike Gerst is a dynamic football player and this fanatical Columbia football fan from the Northern New Jersey area is very excited that he will be playing for us this fall.
To the dopey poster at 06:05, Mike Gerst is listed at 5'11", Nick is
5'9". The only "short" one is you, short-on-brains.
Jake, has Bruce Grant recovered from whatever injury he had last season?
That really is great news about Mike Gerst if it's true...I attended the game at Met Life stadium and he put on an incredible performance..Sounds like he has many offers
We can only hope he will join us to help turn things around.
I can't find the Denver Post article on Ben McDaniels. However, he would be a great hire for Columbia. McDaniels was the quarterbacks coach for the Denver Broncos where he worked closely with among others a guy named Tim Tebow. Before that McDaniels coached at Massillon High School in Ohio and played quarterback at Kent State. In high school McDaniels was the quarterback of a Canton, Ohio team that was the #1 ranked team in the U.S.A. With that type of background, one can reasonably expect that the McDaniels would light things up as the offensive coordinator of the Lions. Furthermore, I suspect that having a young offensive coordinator with professional coaching experience will enhance the Lions' emerging new identity as a high-profile football program offering top recruits the opportunity to play for excellent coaches while getting a great education.
Mangurian is raising the bar for the assistant coaches so the two likely holdovers, Smith and Argast, have to feel pretty darn good about themselves at this point. If former Denver Broncos' quarterback coach, Ben McDaniels comes on board as the offensive coordinator, that would send a powerful message to top high school recruits that Columbia is the place to be if you want both a great education and great coaches.
More Dobitsch: I missed that he was also 3d team all Groups all-state.
-Dr.V
Our new WR recruit, Andrew Dobitsch from Old Tappan, was the prime target of 4-star QB Devin Fuller who was offered by Alabama, Nebraska, many others, and is probably the top dual threat QB in the country. As stated previously Andrew made 1st Team All-State N.J. Group 3 and 1st Team All- Bergen County.
There's only one RB in the NFL Hall of Fame above 6 feet tall. The NFL today is full of short RBs. Criticizing a RB for being short reflects a lack of understanding about the sport...lack of height (and low center of gravity) has become almost a requirement.
To those who want to play Grinch, please open your eyes and recognize that good things are happening!!
McDaniels coached QBs at Jackson HS in Massilon, not at Massilon High. His experience seems a bit thin to be a college coordinator - he's coached QBs in high school and for one or two years in the NFL. That seems to be it. It's my impression that it's unusual to go from QB's to coordinator without coaching the O- line for a while. Does anyone know if that's accurate?
Haven't seen any reliable confirmation that McDaniels is the choice for OC. If he is, I have faith in Mangurian to choose a good guy - not that my opinion really matters. Maybe he's a young, fearless innovator who can shake things up and give the CU offense some swagger?
Happy holidays to everyone!
Most OCs are QB/ WR coaches first and then simply rely on the offensive line coach to do a lot of the run game gameplan.
Current NFL RBs who are over 6' include Matt Forte and Adrian Peterson. While the point is valid that a great RB can be short (Maurice Drew-Jones, for example),it is hard to generalize (other than to note that RBs over a certain height just don't exist (Brandon Jacobs is probably the tallest RB in NFL history).
To poster 6:05. For this holiday season I hope you find the Spirit of Christas much as Ebenezer Scrooge did. I hope your heart both widens and warms. May you first Christmas gift be a wrapped box of "class".
To the Gerst family, friends and supporters: Please keep in mind that not all the posters here are Columbia footbal fans. Some support the schools you left in the dust......
Ed Argast is a great coach. His players really like and respect him. My son says that he is the best position coach that he has ever played for. Coach Argast has earned a number of championship rings during his career. In fact, he was the OC/OL coach at Fordham when Fordham won the Patriot league championship. His offenses outplayed CU on a number of occasions. He and the new OC should make a great team.
Watching Alex smith a few times this season I am struck by how his skill set seems to match Sean Brackett's. The new OC will hopefully put in a passing game which emphasizes timing patters; precise, short to medium range slant and sideline patterns to the tight ends and WRs.
McDaniels played his high school football in Canton, Ohio, and then quarterbacked Kent State. After that he coached in Massillon. Canton and Massillon are two great football towns. With his Ohio roots and background , I suspect McDaniels will have no trouble recruiting in Ohio and the neighboring states. Indeed, while it's fairly late in the recruiting cycle, there are so many quality ballplayers in Ohio that he could probably bring in some bigtime talent to immediately help Columbia implement its new offense.
I hope that 6:05 is wrong, but we've had the other NJ PHENOM, Nick G. at Columbia for three years and he hasn't done anything. In fact, he was even beat out last year by Marcous Garrett. Yes, I get that he was hurt, misdiagnosed, whatever, but he just isn't durable in this league. And yes, apparently Nick is bigger and stronger than his brother. Let's hope for the best, but just temper those expectations because the reality is that hype doesn't win games.
To 8:53
We have 2 Freshman WR over 6'2", Slivka and Nelligan who both run sub 4.6 40's and received letters this year. They will be studs for the Lions next year and beyond.
Poster 8:01, you're simply wrong. Nick Gerst has had his brilliant moments, few and far between as they've been due to his injuries. The expectation is that he'll be ready to go in the fall. As for comparing the brothers in stature, in fact Mike is the larger, 1-2 inches taller and about equal weight with room to grow, not the other way around as you wrote. Both are sub 4.4 sprinters, so be ready for some exciting action.
Nick Gerst has not been beaten out by anybody..not only has he been hurt but a deranged OC never new what to do with this kid averaging 5.5 yds a carry from day one even when he was healthy...the absurd notion that a hamstring injury has anything to do with durability is absurd..it's all about the proper rehab that has already been pointed out by Mangurian...this same prior coaching staff had Garret in the game while he was limping around the field.
The word is that the only reason Gerst is still at Columbia is because of the coaching change to Mangurian. Lets hope he finally gets healthy along with every other kid on the team under the new and exciting leadership.
To the poster who noted there are current RBs over 6', the point still remains there is just one in the entire history of the NFL who made the HOF. My point is that the position has favored shorter players. It makes no sense to complain about something statistically demonstrated to be a positive.
Lion fans should take a look at this video of Mike Gerst's senior season. I believe he will be a super back for us, and the sooner the better. He looks ready, very strong and super fast, some spectacular runs, enjoy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZGgKXYGMBI
Thank you for the Mike Gerst video. I agree with your overall assessment and note that Gerst also has excellent open field vision. In addition, he seems to have that extra burst of speed to get into the open field and even block kicks on defense. Coming from Bergen Catholic you know that he is well-coached and played against top competition, so I am as excited as you are about his potential. Go Lions!
Somebody on voyforums is exhibitng sour grapes on Mike Gerst; claims he wasn't even the best back at BC and that there were at least 20 better backs in North Jersey. Based upon the video, I doubt that. Must be a Penn or Yale fan.
More Mike Gerst (even better, check it out)...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8aMCO3TvdA&feature=related
Any new commitments? Any news on the new offensive and defensive coordinators. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all Columbia Football Fans!
Blogs and forums are mostly for wanna be football players who never even saw the field filled with frustration and personal vendettas. Both Gerst brothers appear to be outstanding football players that can only help Columbia's quest to excellence. Not so sure Mike will be attending Columbia. Lets Hope so.
Lets also hope the Gerst family has not seen this blog...It can be quite ugly with some of the personal shots at both boys...But I guess that comes from being in the public eye and the crazy world we live in
HAPPY HOLIDAYS
Re 8:53-the passing game should be superb. We have 3 QBs who can play-Brackett, Weiss, and Prince-We have Garner DiNovo Slivka and Nelligan returning. Andrada played well on the JVs (70 yard TD vs Princeton) and is ready-That gives us 3 WRs who are 6'2" and can run. The apparent retention of Coach Smith bodes well. My sources tell me the players think he is excellent.
We have a big Gerst fan base on the blog. We shall see this coming season 2012 just what he can do with the new coaching staff. The "proof is in the pudding" now!
Looking forward to the coaching change and let's remember it's not about one player, it's a TEAM sport!
Go Lions!
I agree--it's a simple matter of fact--that the Gerst brothers are genuinely supported on this blog and by Columbia fans in general. The preponderance of the numerous comments over several years is that the current player has not been used enough or in well-designed plays. That's not criticism of the player. I've seen Gerst, a smallish speed back, sent into the middle of the line when we need one yard for a key first down. We used to use 230-pound fullbacks for that. If healthy, he should have a fine year under the new coaches. CU fans wish the best for all fb recruits. Gerst's brother reportedly is coming to CU and will be welcomed as well. Some banal question by someone here about which is taller does not constitute abuse. Everyone know that there are dynamite 5-7 runners and there are 6-1 duds. Please don't create fictional conflict over incivility when there is none.
I thought that Mike Gerst was coming. Is that not correct?
McDaniels? My question is this: Would he be coaching any where other than at his Daddy's or his Daddy's friends HS if he wasnt related to Josh? Rhetorical question. We ALL know the answer. This babe in the woods is going to be the OC? Yikes!
Regarding McDaniels, my guess is Mangurian knows what he's doing...Pete, for one, is certainly no "babe in the woods."
Right now McDaniels is just an assertion someone made; it hasn't been officially announced. I suppose it could happen but until it's made official I'm treating it with more than a few grains of salt.
Nor has the Mike Gerst commitment been announced either. We're taking that one on faith. That announcement I will welcome if it comes.
Hey, lay off McDaniels already.
I am dumbdounded by the sheer stupidity on this blog now!
1.) Let's give Coach Mngurrian and McDaniel a chance before we condem them. He may not have been this Blog's firs, or second choice, but let's give him (and his staff) a chance!
2.) FYI - the poters are NOT against Nick Gerst, or his family. He's a GREAT kid and the team loves him. The issues (regardles of injuries or not), is that he hasn't panned out as planned. He's had an extremely poor OC, and the position coach isn't capable of scooping ice cream at Baskin Robbins. Hopefully, we'll see what he can do next year. the jury is still far out on him...
3.) Mike Gerst - AGAIN, nothing against his brother, or the family, because they have produced very bright and honorable young men. The issue is recruiting... I watched the highlight tape that a poster put up on the Blog (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZGgKXYGMBI). It starts off saying that he's 5'11, 190, and runs a 4.39 40 yard dash... Thankfully, Bergen Catholic is a Jesuit school and the confession booth should be close by. I also noticed on the highlight film, clip starting at 1:09 - 1:17, that there was a hihghlight from a scrimmage game? Seriously, a scrimage highlight clip? I was a fan of Savon Huggins, and Savon "only" ran a 4.45 40 yrd dash.
If Mike does come to Columbia, and I hope that he does (because people must see something that I don't), PLEASE tell him that when he breaks free, he needs to shift the ball AWAY from the defenders and towards the sidelines...
Look forward to 2012!!!
I don't know if Bergen Catholic has changed "masters" since they were a regular opponent of my own high school, but back then Bergen Catholic was in fact overseen by the Irish Christian Brothers, not the Jesuits.
At that time, too, Don Bosco was run by the Salesians. And there is a great difference between the Jesuits and the other two orders. (Nor, might I add, do all priests and brohers thus necessarily "dress and look alike.")
Regardless, a joyous and merry Christmas to all, whether one celebrates the religious holiday or simply the calendrical occasion for good cheer.
Mike and Nick Gerst if you need agent let me know...looks like you have created alot of excitement at Columbia..
Wishing the entire Columbia team, coaches and families all the best in 2012
Keep the faith.
After all of the critique on process, let's look at the results: We have a new coach who is experienced, articulate and intense, we have retained the coordinators that everyone was clamoring for and we are begining to get recruits who look like they will contribute. Columbia fans have a lot to look forward to for the new year. I for one am extremely excited and optimistic! Here is wishing the old regime, the new coaches and staff and all you bloggers a happy, healthy and prosperous holiday and new year.
Merry Christmas all Lion fans! Good cheer and best wishes to you and yours.
Just a thought on Basketball....
We have played three common opponents to Harvard and had somewhat similar results...
Win vs Holy Cross
Win vs Loyola Marymount
Loss to Uconn (by same margin)
I know they are ranked #25 in nation, but maybe we can take second in league?
The basketball team will finish 5th behind Penn, Princeton, Harvard and Yale. Sorry, but that's reality. They're too SLOW and I'm waiting for Coach Smith to recruit a FAST PG from NYC and a TRUE 7' center...
that's reality? I guess that is why we watch them play
Harvard is now #24. Coach Smith would have to recruit some dubious/borderline Ivy eligible recruits like Tommy to compete in the top 25. Student body isn't too thrilled about the hoops team success fyi reading recent editorials in the student paper. Would it be any different at CU? I doubt it.
5th in the league is about right. I've seen the team and agree that we are a bit slow...
I WISH we recruited like Harvard basketball! The bottom line is that they were a perennial basement dweller, and now they are contenders on a national scale. I'm sorry, but we should be doing that in basketball AND football (H football uses a same formula and all they do is win). Who cares what the student body thinks? They don't care about athletics anyway. Here's a thought... Maybe we should try that formula so that we can get better attendance at football and basketball games...
Silly to say that the men's basketball team is "SLOW" when it has outrun all of its opponents this season except UConn. I suspect that in a foot race, our starters would be the second fastest in the Ivy League, perhapos a bit behind the Harvard NBA wannabe prep squad. Our point guard, Brian Barbour, is very fast, particularly in transition, our starting forwards, John Daniels and Alex Rosenberg are both fast and athletic and our shooting guard, Meiko Lyles is an excellent all-around athlete. Up front, our two centers, are very good athletes as well and plenty fast for their size & bulk. In fact, center is where we might have an advantage over the pro team from Cambridge. I guess ignorance is "bliss" when it comes to commenting about Columbia Basketball. Anyway, have a nice holiday my fellow Columbia basketball fans, fast or slow.
The Morningside Roadrunner
Become a contender and you'll see how enthusiastic the student body will become -- as they have in the past -- whether it's football or basketball.
Get off the Gerst bs. Both are talented, but, the players that stand out on our field are all that matters. Hopefully the new staff will realize this and not wait until the last couple games to try other backs. Chao among others was brilliant the last game. I believe it was 41 that did well the last couple of games. The Gersts could be super stars, but, it didn't show in 2011 and until they take the field under the new program who knows. Get off the constant Gerst stuff (both sides) and move on. When it comes down to it 1 player doesn’t make a team.
I have seen the men's basketball team four times this year, post Agho injury. They are a top division team and can play with anybody. Good size and excellent defenders. Great coach and the ability to play under pressure.
If people want to talk about Gerst, Chao, Bracket or anybody else who are you to tell people what to talk about. That's what blogs are for...lighten up...
RE: Basketball... 11:13, you should be banned for your ingnorance! Seriously, a foot care with Harvard to see who is faster? Jake does the term "filter" mean ANYTHING to you? And calling Harvard's hoop team "pros"? Jealousy is unbecomming! Just get good, local, fast players and that will be the end of it. Coach Smith STILL needs to grab some local players and get "in" with the area High Schools... Rice, All Hallows, Boys & Girls, Linclon, etc.
About getting NYC basketball players for CU, the problem is that high level public school athletes are hard to qualify academically for Ivy admission, and private school kids don't play at a high enough level. The Catholic schools are somewhere in between, but their athletes also lag academically. There aren't many McMillian/Dotson/ Ricky Free types coming out of the City these days. It's not poor recruiting.
The latest New Yorker Magazine has a long, long, long article on Don Bosco HS, and all things connected to it--Catholic culture and clergy, elite high school football, the players, their families, boosters, knockers and of course, Coach Greg Toal, who was touted by some as a suitable candidate for CU's recent head coach opening. I had time only to skim the first few pages ttoday. I certainly will read the entire article. I got the impression Toal comes off very well. I also got the impression that he might not have been the best match for Columbia, or maybe college ball in general. (That might change after I actually read the whole article). But one thing jumped out at me near the beginning--that 20 of his players commute from New York City, another from Connecticut. And some of the Jerseyans come from 30, 40, 50 miles away. The writer called it a sort of metro area all-star team. That doesn't mean he can't coach, but I knew nothing about Don Bosco except it had a good football team. Actually it is sort of a unique situation. Anyway, I wanted to mention the article because I think most here would like to read it, and I will do so too tomorrow.
12:59 - Thanks for the update on Don Bosco. Unfortunately, we will never know about coach Toal and CU. As you know, he was doomed from the onset because he had no ties to Cornell (the same for Gilmore for that matter). Hopefully, the NEXT AD will have a more open mind on such matters.
Yes, I get that Coach Mangurrian is our coach and there is nothing that we can do about it (hopefully, he wins), but let's not forget that the "process" is broken (Diane, Hot Dog and Search Committees) - ALL Puppets!
The article confirms that Coach Toal can recruit and that he wins. He has produced numerous Div.-I and Pro players. Played on a national level... and we have done what over the past 10 years? Not sure how anyone (besides Cathar - Diane's schill) can say that "... maybe he wasn't the best choice for CU..." Hello, Tellier, Shoop, Wilson - TERRIBLE! Could it be ANY worse? I mean these committees over the past 10-15 years (comprised of the same people by the way) have a proven ONE thing... that they have an inate ability to skillfully pick LOSERS!
We'll never know what could have been with Coach Toal, we just know what we endured through our illustrious leadership...
Lay off of Ray Tellier. He was an outstanding coach and is a true gentelman. He never had the support that he needed, yet he still turned out competitive and in a few cases damn good teams. Now we have more support, more financial aid, and better facilities.
Bingo. Coach Toal can recruit and his players commute and live with local families during football season. Think about that--it's HS football. I won't badmouth him because I don't know the man just the program's reputation and it's sketchy at best. Let's stop wasting words on him and the what if game. It was NEVER going to happen.Trust me wholeheartedly on that piece of intel.
The PROBLEM with you piundits is that this is NOT a personal indictment againt Tellier, Shoop, or Wilson. Look at their professional records and then ask yourself if they were a success?
Tellier - 42-96-2
Shoop - 7-23
Wilson - 17-43
okay, Ray is a good guy and shakes hands now with the best of them. The reality is that he has a horrible record (fact, not opinion). And save the excuses about recruiting budgets, financial aide, etc., because that's what they are; EXCUSES!
RE: 8:13 not wanting to besmirch Coach Toal's reputation... thanks for not calling his program "sketchy". Oh, wait, you did. Grow up!
Yes, Bill Cambell said "No" out of the gate to a HS coach, we get it. Thanks for the inside "intel". Just keep in mind that HE hand picked picked the last two HCs...
This is NOT a matter of wasting words, rather, a reminder of how we got here AND the fact that things have still not changed!
Why did Fordham say no to Toal?
Incredible passion about Columbia football! Jake is away and we still have over 80 comments on a blog which doesn't even have a current posting by Jake! This speaks volumes about our love for Columbia football!
What was Ray's record from 1994 through J Reese's junior year? My guess is that it was around .500.
To 12:59
I'm a newcomer to this blog and as such am ignorant to the history and politics of the program. I have followed your posts over the season and they obviously reflect a lot of cynicism and anger. I hope this blog is an outlet for you and your attitude with your family, friends and coworkers is more healthy. I am having a little trouble following your logic. Your assumption is that Bill Campbell is the puppeteer and Diane and the selection committee the puppets. What ties does Bill have with Cornell? How does restricting candidates to former cronies of the AD benefit Campbell? This HC decision seems to fall on the AD, which is what she gets paid for. Getting input/influence from benefactors is part of the job and goes on at every university. Hiring a D1 football coach is one of the most important decisions of the AD. If this HC turns out to be a bad choice, based not solely but heavily on W's and L's, then she should be held accountable.
nerowTo 09:41: You MIS-identified me with another poster, and suggested I was mean to my family and need anger management. It was a sloppy mistake on your part. Your intended target was 06:52, who certainly has the right to his own opinions and I'm sure will be glad to discuss them with you.
The time of a posting is at the end of the post. At the beginning of his post, 06:52 addressed me "To 12:59" to thank me for describing the New Yorker article, and you took that to mean I was the author of the post you objected to.
I accept your apology.
To the newcomer on this Blog, welcome to this dysfunctional family!
I believe that the cynicism, anger, and frustration are rooted at the administration and same alums that have been in charge of directing the football program over the past 10-15 years. Largely, we have the same people on these committees (football and search).
The concern THIS time around was (is) the fact that the administration (Diane) claimed that there was a National search for a new coach, and that they received over 100 applicants. Here is where it gets tricky... The four finalists from this national search were:
Coach Hofher – Cornell Head Coach 1990-1997
Coach Mangurrian - Cornell Head Coach 1998-2000
Coach Ron Prince – Cornell offensive Line Coach
and Brian Flores – 25 year old Defensive Assistant - NE Patriots (no Head Coaching or Collegiate coaching experience)
You see, Diane Murphy was an Associate AD at Cornell in the from 1995-1998s. This means that THREE out of four finalists (from the National search) were at Cornell when she was there. Wow, what are the odds? The concern is that the AD is lazy and just had three finalists who were convenient for her. The fourth finalist was a recommendation from Bob Kraft (influential alum). This guy was so under-qualified that he never should have been extended an interview in the first place. The ONLY reason why Coach Flores was a finalist was because Diane is afraid of Bb Kraft. The flip side here is why Bob Kraft would even recommend someone this unqualified? Nevertheless, that was a waste of an interview (on both sides). One, for getting Coach Flores hopes up; and secondly, for allowing Diane to make him a finalist.
There is no “assumption” that Bill Campbell is the puppeteer; he IS the puppeteer. Hey, with the amount of money he gives, he should be able to do what he wants, I (we) get it. If that’s the case, then just say so. Instead they tout this search committee consisting of Ted Gregory-CC ’74, Don Jackson-CC ’73, and Kevin Ward-CC ’74 (all Campbell cronies); and Ray Tellier (a rubber stamp from Diane). These are largely the same group that selected Tellier, Shoop, and Wilson. Do the math there… Also is the issue that a Blog and football alum favorite, Tom Gilmore (current Head Coach at Holy Cross), was NOT granted an interview for the HC position. There were initial overtures made and if he was one of two finalists, then he would have formally applied. Instead, three out of the four finalists were recycled Cornell coaches and an inexperienced 25 year old that has no collegiate coaching experience.
Is this starting to make sense now? So here we are with a new coach that hasn’t coached in college, or recruited from High Schools, in over 10 years. Should we be concerned? That’s rhetorical… If you want to know why we are consistently in the basement, re-read the above…
I was told that Gilmore would not interview unless he was given the green light that he was our guy. He did not want to hurt Holy Cross by interviewing in public again. It was amicable and Gilmore recognized we may want to interview others.
I am still a little uncertain on Mangurian because he seems to be a nomad who can't stay put for very long but you can't argue with his resume and the success he had at Cornell.
IF, again IF, he is committed to being here for 5-10 years I believe he might be a great hire.
It would really suck if Gilmore wound up at Yale and built them into a power, time will tell.
Yes, the part about Gilmore is correct. We screwed Tom last time when we selected Norries. The same thing happened with Tom and Princeton and at Yale when they were recently looking for coaches. Each AD said that he was a finalist and thenm they pulled the trigger with someone else at the last minute based on major alums making noise. I guess that happens everywhere... If Gilmore lands at Yale, which could happen because he has beated Harvard three of the last six years, we'll have MAJOR egg on our face.
No egg anywhere until after there's a face to face on the field...
I thought we were past the time when posts like 1:37 would see the light of day.
Who really cares if this decision was neither national in scope nor made by a committee?
What is apparent is that Murphy has stepped up and taken responsibility for the future of the program. She wanted her HC and she got him. There is now accountability. Everything else is just optics.
I'm supporting Murphy. I'm supporting Mangurian. I'm supporting the team. And I'm feeling pretty good about all of it!!
Chen 82 says....
Gents, listen to yourselves. Some of you sound like you could not say a nice thing about anyone or anything, ever. Whether BB or FB, many of you on this blog cannot find one good thing to say... you just sound like a bunch of whiners, hiding behind your anonymity.
Was Santa mean to you?
Get behind the coach, the team and our school.
Right on, Chen (however, without the diversity, our blog would not be as interesting).
to 9:46 the lack of an "interesting" blog hasn't hurt Penn or Harvard or Brown...
I am 100% behind Pete Mangurian. I also think that everybody should read the current New Yorker for a phenomenal piece on Don Bosco and Greg Toal.
A reminder .... Greg Toal was not considered suitable for the Fordham job either ...
I thought Toal should get serious consideration. I have no idea whether he'd make a good college head coach or not, I've never even met the man, much less interviewed him, but thought that someone with off the charts accomplishments at whatever level deserves serious consideration.
All that said, I'm more than a little surprised at the quibbling over the process of choosing Mangurian. I've just renewed my football contribution because what needed to happen did in fact happen: Wilson was promptly fired; the search was conducted expeditiously; and a highly experienced (as a college head coach; as an Ivy head coach; and as an NFL assistant) and articulate man has been hired to lead our troops. He seems to have retained the two assistants about whom players apparently thought highly. And we're bitching? Let's please get a grip. We're in the equivalent of spring training. Hope should be springing eternally. Go Lions!
-Dr.V
Right on, Dr. V.
The way I heard it we didn't screw Gilmore last time, but perhaps it was not handled correctly. He had a non compete that we did not or were not ready to deal with at the time.
1. Mangurian will be a great coach and was our #1 choice; he was excellent in his interviews, and having met him myself I am convinced he will bring us an Ivy championship.
2. Norries was our third choice when he got the job. Two people who I cannot identify turned us down. After his first season he looked like a winner, but the 2009 team had championship written all over it until the wheels came off the wagon.
3. I still had hope after the 2009 season because of what Brackett showed me in thelast few games that year.
4. If Brackett can stay healthy he will be the best all around player in the Ivies next year.
5. I don't expect a rebuilding year. We ahve enough talent to win next year, if we are well coached and well conditioned.
6. Amateur hour is over.
7. The Toal article in the New Yorker shows how hard it is to win. But you also have to work smart. Mangurian will have us working smart.
8.The fact that we have 100 postings without a blog by Jake means that there are a lot of really dedicated Lions out there.
How about Marist beating our "hot" Lions by 20? Cause for concern? I'd say so. Good teams shouldn't lose those games after a long layoff. Will be court-side for Harvard/BC tonight. Will have a full report on the Crimson tomorrow.
Staff has been named; McDaniels and Lempa are coordinators; overall it looks like a terrific group.
I so agree with you Dr.V. I could not be more pleased about how this process has panned out. The people that needed to go, are gone! The 2 that have been retained , are the 2 most popular with the team. The Head Coaching position couldn't have been given to a more experienced man.I for one am very pleased.I am hoping that all Lions fans welcome the new coaching staff,give them a chance to prove themselves, and let our football team finally feel POSITIVE ENERGY coming from this blog.Cannot wait for the season to start?
GO LIONS
As a former Columbia athlete, my impression is that Coach Mangurian has put together an absolutely fantastic football staff. I'm thrilled that he retained Argast and Smith while bringing in two terrific new coordinators and two other outstanding assistants. I can't wait to see what McDaniels throws at our opponents next year.
I hope McDaniels goes after some of the big-time talent in his home state of Ohio. There are several outstanding quarterbacks in the Buckeye State who have not yet committed including one player who looks like Big Ben R.
Dr. V., how about digging us up some more recruits, please -- we're starvin' here!
I hope Mangurian and his staff get it done! Yes, his CV is impressive, however, he is 10 years removed from recruiting teenagers and having key HS coaches for contact. That remains a major concern (and obstacle). Please don't tell me that recruiting largely falls on the Assistant Coaches because I know for a fact that Murphy, Bagnoli and Teevens are very active and engaged recruiters.
I agree that we should be positive with the transition, however, the process is dramatically flawed! Basically, the administration, the Hot Dog/Search Committees and Campbell want us to follow them blindly like mindless sheep. Like the previous poster said, these are the SAME overseeers of the program that put us in this mess in the first place and nothing has changed. The administration and committees basically LIED to us about this process. How we came up with the four finalists was (is) a joke! I am shocked and dismayed that people are complacent with this "leadership". In the private sector, they would be fired!
Yes, Mangurian did nothing wrong. He was unemployed and this was one of the jobs that he applied for, so I wish him, his staff, and the team, nothing but success! Nevertheless, my annual donation will go toward CC Financial Aide and not football/athletics. If Campbell and his cronies want to dictate what goes on, and then call it a democracy, then go ahead and pay for it yourselves! I am sure that some of you will say "good riddens", and that's fine, however, keep in mind that Diane, et al, are banking (pun intended) on your sheep mentality
Poster 7:41,
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion - even you. I'd just wish you'd stop insulting others because they place greater emphasis on outcome as opposed to process. The new staff is more than qualified and will have an opportunity to prove themselves. That's reality and everything else is wishful thinking.
Best of the New Year to you!
Quarterback, of course, is the key position, and Rivals has reported that the Lions have offered Logan Scott, a two-star quarterback from California. Another California prospect, Cody Demps, was also reported in the local California newspaper to have recently visited Columbia. Several other quarterbacks have been listed by Rivals as interested in Columbia including Scooter Hollis of Bowling Green, Kentucky, Seth Rosenbauer of Lima, Ohio and John Loughery of the Hun School in New Jersey. It will be interesting to see whether McDaniels will go after a pro style quarterback like Rosenbauer or a triple threat quarterback such as Hollis or Demps. My hunch is that McDaniels will target Rosenbauer.
Mangurian names new additions to staff, including OC and DC. Still has two vacancies to fill. Check CU website.
Obviously, any outstanding high school quarterback with Ivy League smarts and NFL aspirations would want to play for Mangurian and McDaniels. Advantage Columbia!
7:41
We are all so glad the train already left without you.
Take your gloom and doom somewhere else
This team deserves nothing but support with this exciting new coaching staff
8:05 -GREAT updates! Thanks!
where is the coolade tub because i want to get a whole lot fo whatever is in there! Mangurian as a success at Cornell, 16-14 with others recruits and then he left and his recruits had horrible records after he left. the new assistants, did we go and raid the pre-k of coaching to find these guys?
the great high school recruits-being an all world high school player doesnt translate into being a good college player, see older CU RB's that were all-americans out of new mexico that couldnt beat out the water boy for the starting role.
the concept of a wide receiver running a sub 4.6 forty...seriouisly, that is like molasses going up hill in the winter, who is that guy going to beat out on any pattern, the new head coach? last i checked this wasnt the over 40 year old league nor the under 5'9" league, this isnt krafts light weight football team of the 60's.
the clowns that run the joint make the same mistakes ver and over again. they would be better off picking a coach and then going against that pick, kind of like a bad gambler picking a side and going the other way to change his/her luck.
CU, once again, is going into a gun fight with a stuffed animal.
listen up, just because you hired the younger mcdaniels of the five older mcdaniels who is the son of the great mcdaniels doesnt mean people are going to want to come to CU. it is about recruiting the right players and your boy Manchurian, yes i know his rreal name, hasnt proven his worth in spit that he can recruit.
we are destined for the basement and just as hope springs eternal so to does reality, and the reality is that CU hasnt changed nor has the process changed. like sand through the hour glass, so goes the days of our lives.
7:41 is a real dufus.
To 7:47 and 11:47, I say Bravo! You may not like how the message is being conveyed, but you have to admit, they have points to be made. I'm not sure that you can win with a Diane run administration. Re recruiting/coaching: Until I see some legit 3-4 Star HS recruits and/or some JUCO/Transfers, we have the same old, same old at Columbia! The rest of you ARE indeed drinking the same old Kool Aid...
To 7:47/11:47. The negative stuff is boring already. You made your points. Please, please move on. Time to be positive about Columbia Football. It's not helping Columbia Football, the players, fans, alumni, Jake, or anyone else to keep repeating the negative remarks.
Thanks,
P.S. I am a former Columbia athlete with no connections to the current sports administration--I'm just a rabid Columbia Football Fan.
I'm fairly sure that the person who posted at 7:41AM is the same negativity specialist who posted at 1:37AM a few days before. Who also called me a "schill" (sic, I hope) for Dr. Murphy.
What's interesting about this skein of posts is how they're author-focused. Not at all truly interested in the advancement of Columbia football (or CU athletics in general) as in, apparently, why he wasn't consulted on Mangurian's hring, even given veto power there.
Can we just banish such rancor for a while and wish the new coach, his staff and even the Athletics Department administration well? Can we even add "good riddens" (that misspelling was priceless and called up the "lush life" to ne) to such feelings? Really, calling others fools and worse for being happy we have a new coach was amazingly nasty.
And to all who are Columbia fans, a very happy New Year. Perhaps even coupled to winning seasons all across the athletic board. Thanks too to Jake for setting this blog up in the first place.
To all the nagative people who are unhappy about the hiring of Coach M., lets take a poll. If there are any current players parents reading this blog, (and I know there are many), just how happy or unhappy are your sons with the hiring of Coach M, and who he has chosen to coach your sons? I know the season hasn't started yet, and they have only had a brief meeting with Mangurian, but I bet they are pretty damn excited about the new regime, and ALL the changes that will take place.
I have no problem with with 7:41 expressing his opinion. CU football has been horrible for more than 50 years. What I didn't like about his post is that he thinks "good riddance" is spelled "goood riddens."
Yes, the Admin has been horribly remiss and put us through hell, but even with their loaded Cornell script it appears they found a real coach this time. I contributed to both the college fund and athletics, as usual, and hope everyone will do the same. Best fortune in the New Year to Coach Mangurian, his staff, and the young men they are entrusted to lead.
I really wish Jake would censor idiots like 11:47 ... he's another football wanabee who never strapped it up at Columbia ... if 11:47 had kicked in to the program the kind of $$$ that Bill C has (+$1MM)don't you think he would want his ideas to be considered ... is 11:47 so nieve to think that the Administration is reading this blog to see what words of wisdom 11:47 can shine of a program that is trying to turn iteself around ... so it's simple 11:47, contribute $1,000,000 plus and then your "words of wisdom" might have an impact .... otherwise shut up till at least the new coaching staff has been here a couple of years .... looks like they put together a very interesting OC/DC combination ....
11:47 sounds like one of the rejects on voyforums .... there are lots of nasty comments over there that have found their way to Jake's blog ... cease and desist !!!
HS football in the north east blows. We need to be focusing on DC to Atlanta with a little Florida and Texas thrown in.
Pete Mangurian has named a good part of his staff. As we've previously told you, Ben McDaniels will serve as offensive coordinator / quarterbacks and Kevin Lempa will serve as defensive coordinator / secondary. Lempa was the DC at Central Connecticut State last season. Ed Argast will remain as offensive line coach and Aaron Smith will remain as wide receivers coach. Alvin Smith will coach the defensive line. Smith was a grad assistant at Arizona State last season. Chad Nice will coach the running backs. Nice comes from the Merchant Marine Academy. Gordie Sammis will coach the tight ends. Sammis was a grad assistant at UVA.
Add Ohio, Illinois and all the other midwestern states to our must recruit areas.
The comment about h.s. football in the Northeast "blowing" is uninformed. NJ produces a large number of very good players; it also produces a large number of academically qualified players. Pennsylvania also produces a large number of good players. Mass has produced a fair number of good Ivy players; CT has produced some. NY, given its size, underperforms. The other states are tiny.
-Dr.V
11:47 doesn't get it. He's talking about people drinking "coolade" (sp). My wife is out buying food to satisfy my son's diet demands. I'm shopping the Internet for supplements (pre-approved by the team nutritionist). When that's done, I'm in the basement spotting my son on his weight lifting. Who's got time for "coolade?" We're too busy here working on next season.
Happy New Year to All the Loyal CU Fans!!
Princeton and Harvard are on fire this year in BB - both have now beaten Floida State, and Harvard just crushed BC while Princeton lost to NC State by 2. Now that Ivy play is starting it will be intense... Good luck to the Lions but they may have picked a horrible year in which to peak...
Interesting article in yesterday's Hartford Courant about the TWO TIME Gatorade Player of the Year, Casey Cochran... He was offered football scholarships to BC, Iowa, and UCONN; and was also accepted to Harvard, Yale and Princeton. Take a wild guess where he is going? UCONN!!!??? This is a case where parents need to step in and make the decision for these kids! Unfortunately, his parents are allowing him to go to UCONN. This is a life-altering decision and he's wasting it! Someone needs to contact this kid from Masuk, HS in Monroe, CT, before he enters UCONN early (Jan. 17th) and talk some sense into him! The conversation should be very simple, ask the Head Coach at UCONN, IOWA, or BC what his Top 10 players are doing after graduation, versus the Top 10 from H.Y.P? Also, he should ask Pasqualoni (UCONN Head Coach), if HE had a son or daughter, and got accepted to those school, where would he tell them to go? Reading this article, all I felt was sorrow and empathy for this kid. It's not too late, hopefully, someone can help him out. Also, please do not give me the expense excuse because apparently he was awarded generous financial aide packages from the three Ivies...
http://articles.courant.com/2011-12-29/sports/hc-casey-cochran-1230-20111229_1_casey-cochran-jack-cochran-paul-pasqualoni
To 10:24 - you're an animal, I love it! I hope your son appreciates it! As a former player, alum, and fan, THANK YOU!
Re: Basketball... Don't tell Cathar about Harvard and PU, he picked us 2nd. What a joke! We'll be lucky to finish 5th. The team is too slow.
7:22, your post reads like a real Ivy snob. Not everyone thinks it's imperative to go to an Ivy school, and may have compelling reasons to go elsewhere, as Cochran apparently does...get a grip.
Your "slow" Columbia Basketball defeated Lafayette last night 77-67for the Lions eighth victory of the year. If, as you derogatorily suggest, we are "slow" what does that make the teams we have defeated thus far including the two that went to the NCAA's last year. You might want to keep in mind that the "slow" Lions also have one of the fastest point guards in the East in Brian Barbour as well as a starting line-up with three strong players 6'7" or better.
Obviously, there are tremendous advantages to an Ivy League education, but if a kid chooses to attend a non-Ivy school, I do not believe that he's doomed to failure. Certainly, your criticism is a bit excessive.
Okay, 7:22's post may have come across as a bit "snobbish", I agree. However, the reality is that less than 1% of 1% (total graduating seniors who go to college) get accepted to the Ivy league school.
Some of you may not like me message, but the reality is if you have a resume on your desk from Iowa, BC, UConn, H, Y, or P; who would you interview? And who would most likely get the job?
Also, I like the analogy of where would Pasqualoni send his kids and where are their top 10 graduating players are, versus those at H. Y. P.? We may all not like the message, but that's a reality in life.
This is only IF you have the opportunity. There are obviously plenty of successful people who never attended and ivy league school, nobody is saying the contrary, just think about he option and advantages...
The Bball critics need to wake up. Wherever we finish this year, we return all five starters and Agho returns next season. We have a skilled big - rare in the Ivies - who is improving rapidly. We have a freshman big who could be very good. We have a winning record vs decent competition. Harvard may be too good for us this year, but we're already a good team and we have a terrific outlook.
To all of you giving 1147 a hard time, he strapped it on at CU and played at a level that few at CU can comprehend.
To the parent spotting his kid in the weight room, good for you, but isn't it time to get into this century and get the kid a gym membership with all the correct machines and weights? I applaud your support and realize that you are trying to be supportive.
Enjoy the holidays
The big issue in my opinion with choosing a scholarship school like UConn over an Ivy is the nature of the athletic scholarship, which at UConn will be for a year at a time and which can be terminated by the coach at his discretion. An Ivy will give you need-based financial aid that is guaranteed for four years and is not contingent on playing football.
Leonidas
If you are academically qualified to get into an Ivy school and turn it down for a D1 scholarship, you are gambling that you are going to be playing on sundays. I just think it is irrational to turn down an Ivy for any other reason.
who knows, some kids may not want to have all the deb after college, some may wan the big college experience. so many variables that go into the decision for such a young person.
in hindsight, sure, it seems like a no brainer, but not so easy when you are 17-18, or 25 for the prep school kids.
Post 12/31 @ 11:25,
Who said he doesn't have a gym membership?
Haha!!
And I didn't know All Something Or Another entitles one to a lifetime pass on excessive criticism.
The message - maybe hidden - in my post is that there is now a renewed enthusiasm in program. Those of us inside are looking forward and not back. A positive vibe from a former CU star would be a plus.
You Enjoy The New Year!
How is the Class of 2012 football recruiting going? It might help CU if we have some more official visits once all of the new coaches are in NYC. Has anything been scheduled?
We got Logan Scott, excellent QB from California.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mx2qscsVisU
http://www.maxpreps.com/news/tC1HMuVrEeC-rAAmVebEWg/logan-scott,-a-d-1-bound-senior-quarterback.htm
Scott 1st Team All-Mission League (strong league), 3-Star rating from PrepStar, 65% completion rate. Is generally listed as Pro-type QB but also excellent runner, looks very polished.
Here's to hoping Jake returns in 2012!
Okay, this is very simple, and it you don't get it , then there is no hope for you...
UMass or Harvard
UConn or Yale
Rutgers or Princeton
Cornell or Columbia
State Schools versus the Ivies... Someone should tell this kid to go to Yale and that's it!
Here is some Senior film on Logan Scott.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gNtOyp0Nn0
Also, a couple other nice articles.
http://www.foxsportswest.com/09/29/11/Chaminades-Scott-gets-it-done-on-off-fie/landing_highschool.html?blockID=571402
http://espn.go.com/blog/los-angeles/preps/post/_/id/11293/football-no-23-chaminade-31-st-paul-6
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1) Leonidas the key word is "need based". For one why would anyone turn down a free ride for "need based" financing? There are many D1 schools out there that have programs that are just as good or better than the Ivys depending on what you want.
2) To the poster that said anyone going D1 instead of the Ivys is gambling on playing o Sundays is very misguided. All D1 players have that hope, but, the free ride except for the rare 4 or 5 star talent and the possibility of actually being a starter on one of those teams is the real motivator.
I chose Columbia over being invited to walk on at UVA, Wake Forest, and UNC. Many times I regret it. My firends that went to those schools got a more well rounded college experience, strong enough academics, and a much better athletic experience.
I am proud of my Columbia education, but certainly do not believe an Ivy is teh only place to go to school. The kid in question can have every bit the suceess in life with a UCONN education than he coudl with one from Yale. It is not about the sheepskin. It si what you do with it.
-Why is Pete Mangurain smiling big?
-What's left in the cupboard at Columbia's two most crucial positions?
-And what course will the football players NOT be taking this spring?
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